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I am trying to decide whether to switch to dtv from dish.I currently use King dome to access 119 or 110. I am on 89w. I need to know what setting on universal bow for 110 if I want to stay with dish and get 110 on f1 dish at 89w location. Thanks Bill
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Hopefully someone will chime in here. The charts I have don't show the setting on the universal bow for acquiring 110 from 89W, only for acquiring 101 from 89W which is Mark 8 using Bracket A.
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Bill, 110 is 21 degrees removed from 89. Since the BOW is only designed to cover out to 20 degrees, it may be that it won't work in this case, however if it will, the LNB would certainly be close to the end of the arm. Maybe someone here has already worked on this combination and knows if it is doable or not? Gary
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Gary you are correct that 89 is 21 degrees from 110. How ever there is -2 degrees in the dish head. There fore you set the LNB at 19 degrees and I think it will work.
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Thanks very much for the information, I think this forum is great for long time users and for new users like myself alike. Thanks again Bill
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You would set the LNB to mark 18 on the universal arm to get 110W from 89W. The offset is 3.
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Just now I would not switch from Direc to Dish
Dish was sued by the networks over what is called Distant Network Services (how they bring network television to RVers like us) and they reached settlement with all but Fox, Fox refused to settle (Someone suggested a relationship between Fox and Direc, I'd like to know for sure if this is the case)
They were able to reach agreement with everyone else but not fox, The judge said "All or nothing" so it may well be that Dish will not be able to offer service to us RVers
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Sorry, John, but I've been fighting the battle against that particular piece of wrong information since the ruling was announced.
The Judge said (and I agree, having read the appellate decision) that no settlement was possible. He was under strict instructions from the higher court to cut off Dish DNS. Period.
Nothing about "all or nothing" or whether the settlement could have been imposed on Fox - he threw it out immediately and said they couldn't settle.
Dish was in violation of the law, and the higher court said they couldn't be trusted to follow the law in the future.
Most Fox affiliates agreed to the settlement. Only the 25 Fox-owned stations did not. Fox and DirecTV are both majority-owned by Newscorp, and I am perfectly willing to assume that could have influenced their decision not to join the proposed settlement. The important thing is that it would not have mattered if they had.
DNS is not a matter of agreement with the networks. If Dish had followed the rules, they would never have needed the agreement of any network. The law is quite clear about how and when DNS can be given, and the networks cannot stop it if it is done correctly.
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And now people want Congress to intervene to fix Dish's screwup. Amazing!
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Unfortunately, even though it is Dish's screw-up, a lot of people are going to be unfairly denied the DNS service that they are rightfully entitled to. It seems that a massive fine (payable to whom I have no idea) and a short period of time to correct the problem would have been a better resolution than to force all of the Dish RVers and unserved household users to switch to DirecTV. Maybe a call to your congress person is not a bad idea. Luckily I am a DirecTV customer but if I were a Dish customer I think I would be calling anyone I thought would listen.
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In the lame-duck congressional session (very short) it takes near-unanimous consent to present and pass new legislation. Charlie Ergen is rumored to have many legislators that wouldn't save him if he was drowning, so I'm not sure any amount of phone calls would help.
Remember also that a congressperson would be bucking the local TV stations back home - how many want to do that?
The reason that "just following the rules" wasn't allowed by the appellate court is because they said the history showed that they couldn't trust Dish to do it, no matter what Dish said. Actually, Dish essentially said they would not, because it was the Judge's ruling that they had to start following the rules that lead Dish to appeal, resulting in the harsh appellate decision!
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It looks to me like our Government DID save us by jumping on a flagrant offender of the laws to cease and desist.
I can not believe the threads I read on various forums and all the misinformation that is spread around. It is, in a way, scary that people believe what is posted, when there are numerous web sites when you can read the FACTS.
In stead we prefer asking our peers who may be confused also.
When this type of thing happens next time Don needs to type out the TRUTH and explanation and we will copy and paste it to every forum that needs the truth told.
Don, be sure and use SMALL words.
By the way, I just saw the first ad for Dish Network on Directv channel FX #248.
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To me it looks like the govt has gone along with the local stations in protecting them from competition. It's the local stations and their monopoly on network broadcasts that makes me mad. I think it is true that no elected official is going to go against the press in their home area. What I also think is that local stations should not be allowed to lock off all other ways of accessing network feeds, but stopping them sure isn't going to be someone who depends on the local press to get reelected.
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Some perspective on the issue, and why it is where it is:
The US has extremely strong "intellectual property" laws. Patents, copyrights, and trademarks all enjoy very high protection under the law in this country. The specific thing that applies here is Copyright.
The networks own or license the copyright to what they broadcast. As such, they have the legal right to control just about everything you can imagine in how/when/where it is shown. They dictate to their company-owned and affiliate stations when it involves network programming. Each station has territorial rights, and cannot willfully broadcast into another territory without permission from the network, and the networks are not prone to allow exceptions.
So, given that, a satellite company or cable company would be unable to broadcast much of anything originating outside the very specific area of reception, without payment and agreement from all parties including the networks. That agreement probably would NOT happen, and distant stations could not agree without network approval.
Enter the "Satellite Home Viewer" laws of 1999 and 2004.
These laws setup specific rules under which a satellite company can violate such copyrights without permission or payment! Dish and DirecTV are allowed to broadcast NY, LA, or wherever, into wherever, with only one caveat: They MUST follow strict rules!
In conclusion, this is not a case of the government stepping in to protect something. This is a case where the government allowed the satellite companies to NOT follow normal copyright laws, and one company still felt the rules were too strict, and that they could do as they please.
The courts have not looked kindly on this behavior, and congress is unlikely to, either.
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As a practical matter we were able to receive distant network channels and all of our programming on one sigle dish. Dish has offered local network channels on 127 that required a seperate dish, in adition to a Dish 500 that recieved 119 & 110. On Nov 1, Dish has automatically swithed us to the local channels that are now located on 110. This unfortunately makes it impossible to recieve all our programming on one dish with a single LNB.
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