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Ted Sudtell
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iDirect 3100

HI, After replacing my D3 I have noticed I have no bars on the Rx Power using Modem Tool 1.0.32. I used to.
The numbers are..
Rx SNR 12.18
Tx Pwr -20.00
Rx Pwr 64.29 It does change
SQ is 90
All seems to be working but any idea why?

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The range the program can deal with (which was based on observational experience) is -50 to -10. I assume that is -64? Maybe John Watson has some ideas on whether that is a realistic number.

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Yes! I do have some thoughts. The lower limit of operation of the 3100 is -65db of signal power from the LNB. Normal is around -25 or -30. You will soon have problem. I recommend getting a piece of RG-6 CATV spec cable and bypass from the modem out a window and on to the LNB. Then, if the number looks reasonable work your way back to the connector at the base of the mount until you have identified the bad cable or barrel splice. If all this fails you may have to change the LNB. As a last resort it could be the modem but that is very unlikely. Ohh wait a second, you said you just changed the D3, bypass that first. Run your cable from the roof directly into the receive connector on the modem. It may be that the splitter that is built into the D3 is defective.

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Hmm. What if the cables are reversed on the D3, would that do it?

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I don't think it will work at all that way. No LNB pwr.

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Thinking bad piece of cable or splitter as John mentions. Unless there is something else in that IF chain that could become faulty.

When you say Rx Power "does change"...how much variance are you seeing?

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Ted Sudtell
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Only change are the tenths in the rx pwr.
I should say I change the D3 because of a power spike in the 110 line took out the web interface. The D3 looked like it would work otherwise. Did not want to try but might now that I have a backup.
More tomorrow.

Ted

Ps SQ is where it always has been.

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Ted, the D3 "web interface" isn't a thing, it is simply lines of code in the firmware. There is no chance that the web interface could be taken out and something else left in. Either the web interface is there, or likely nothing is there.

"nothing" could be just fine - it could mean that the flash memory got erased, so the IP isn't there. If that's the case, just use the normal instructions to put the D3 in boot mode and reupload the firmware to it.

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I still think we need to isolate where the signal is going. I would take the Rx cable from the roof and plug it directly into the Rx IN connector on the back of the 3100 modem. Let's see if we get that receive power up high enough so you don't get knocked off-line.

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quote:
Originally posted by John Watson:
I still think we need to isolate where the signal is going. I would take the Rx cable from the roof and plug it directly into the Rx IN connector on the back of the 3100 modem. Let's see if we get that receive power up high enough so you don't get knocked off-line.

John

I did that this morning. All worked fine. I also changed the cable between the D3 and 3100.
Looks like it is the D3 I just got, I will contact the seller. Thanks for all the help.

Could I have something wrong with the D3 configuration Page?

Satellite System idirect
Satellite Longitude 121w°
Frequency 0 MHz
RX Polarization H
TX Polarization V
Symbol Rate 30 Msps
LO Frequency 1070 MHz What is this, the lnb type?
22KHz Tone NEXT 4 ARE DISABLED
13 Volt Search
H/V Voltage Invert
Inclined Orbit

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quote:
Originally posted by DonB:
Ted, the D3 "web interface" isn't a thing, it is simply lines of code in the firmware. There is no chance that the web interface could be taken out and something else left in. Either the web interface is there, or likely nothing is there.

"nothing" could be just fine - it could mean that the flash memory got erased, so the IP isn't there. If that's the case, just use the normal instructions to put the D3 in boot mode and reupload the firmware to it.

I did this Don, could not ping or telnet 0.250
and naturally 1.250 is dead also.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ted Suds:
LO Frequency 1070 MHz What is this, the lnb type?


10750 is the local oscillator of your LNB. It is the common translation for a Ku downlink (in RF) when operating in the Americas (with some exceptions). If you subtract the 10750 from your systems downstream (downlink) center frequency you will get the L-Band frequency that is presented to the receive port of your iDirect unit (your iDirect likes L-band)

In Europe/Africa/Middle East the LO is typically 10000 MHz (or 10.0 GHz) and in the Pacific Rim it is 11300 (11.3GHz). All of which Ku band oriented.

[ October 25, 2010, 04:40 PM: Message edited by: TDMAMike ]

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Ted...I will have a D3 with me we can test on your system the 3rd. If you are still in DV.

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quote:
Originally posted by TDMAMike:
quote:
Originally posted by Ted Suds:
LO Frequency 1070 MHz What is this, the lnb type?


10750 is the local oscillator of your LNB. It is the common translation for a Ku downlink (in RF) when operating in the Americas (with some exceptions). If you subtract the 10750 from your systems downstream (downlink) center frequency you will get the L-Band frequency that is presented to the receive port of your iDirect unit (your iDirect likes L-band)

In Europe/Africa/Middle East the LO is typically 10000 MHz (or 10.0 GHz) and in the Pacific Rim it is 11300 (11.3GHz). All of which Ku band oriented.

Thanks Mike. That helps a lot - I play with a FTA dish and was wondering why some were 10750 (most free) and others are 11500 (most encrypted).. Get so completed as I get older [Mad]

Steve, I should be here past that but will stay away from Sunset. Toooooo many people.. [Smile]

Steve, this D3 works like you say they should, very fast on acquiring the bird.


ted

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