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Anyone heard rumors that Hughes may have changed the way they are handling the 7000S FAP? I had some overwhelming usage yesterday (reason to be traced down if only I can figure out where to start looking) and got FAP. The 7000S was downloading about 50MB/hr (but not during the FAP free period) and around 7pm Eastern I went into FAP. When I discovered this I disconnected the router thinking I was hacked and it said 19 hours until refill with 0 MB available. I thought that in the past, despite being in FAP there was still some amount of refill going on at all times. This morning it says 9 hours to refill and still reads 0 MB available. This is how I understand the 9000 users FAP works but not how I thought the 7000S FAP worked. Do I just have this wrong and when my 24 hours is up it will just again show full?
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The latter is correct. When you are in FAP with a 7000 it is impossible to say if it is refilling by the hour, or a complete refill at the end - the effect is the same, you have no access to the bucket during the FAP time.
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It happened to me about a week ago. I was able to just turn the power of and wait a few hours. After I turned it back on all was well except I had lost 250 or so megs.
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Something weird is going on with something in our system and we can't figure out what. We used 1GB on our cellular in a day and then we got hit with this FAP on the Hughes side (strangely limited to 50MB/hr but only a minimal download during the FAP Free time. I see that our Kindle Fire downloaded new firmware but the sites I am finding says it's only a 183MB download (unless that's just the installer). I changed the security setting on our router and all appears well again on the Hughes side and we will have to watch the cellular as now we are pushing our limit with 7 days before that refill.
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I haven't mentioned this before but I can tell you with certainty we have been FAPed three times, once by design, and never has the bucket been refilled in 24 hours. Actually somewhere between 36 and 48 hours. Whether it is "supposed" to be that way or not.
Recommendation: Set your Kindle Fire and all other machines' applications to not download automatically. Otherwise, this will happen again.
On a related subject, when is my 425MB bucket going to expand to 850MB? I heard that was supposed to happen in January!
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We are 2 generations out of the Hughes loop so it's hard to tell when they will bring us along. First we are 7000 users. The 9000 users all have the bank and the 7000 users are being told "soon". Also, we are VAR customers so Hughes doesn't know much about us (or want to know anyway). As an aside, you will still only have a 425MB/day refill but you will be allowed to roll-over unused MBs to a max of 2 days. I have been looking for update options on the Kindle Fire and have not yet found a way to turn off the auto updates but I have not dug in very deep yet.
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Bill, I don't have a lot of experience with the pods, pads, and tablets; but I found my wife's ipod was joining one of our wifi networks -- on it's own. Then it would drop off for awhile, then repeat the cycle. I suspect it was looking for a message from it's mama at Apple.
I don't like machines doing things on their own. Not surprisingly, I too could not find a way to stop this action except to turn off completely the wireless port. That worked.
Now if could just figure a way to get rid of all the "included" applications on our new phones that are totally useless to us.
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The Kindle needs to download Janet's new magazine's once a week so we have the wi-fi turned off for now and we will just ensure that we either wait until I get my cellular refill or it's connected to the Datastorm where the worst result is getting FAP'd.
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I'm parked next to John and Jean Watson, and Jean is a heavy Kindle Fire user. They have a Droid with a grandfathered Verizon unlimited account (as I do as well) and she wanted to use it for the Fire's WiFi. She has PDANet on her laptop to use the Droid's internet.
There was also the issue of wanting to stay attached to their internal ethernet network for printing, etc.
What I did was use a USB-to-ethernet dongle to provide a secondary connection, connect that to the WAN port of a wireless router (a cradlepoint they were no longer using) and then setup Internet Connection Sharing from the Droid/PDANet to the Ethernet.
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Don, you should look at connectify.me. I've tethered my Droid Bionic to my netbook and used connectify.me to create a hotspot with the netbook.
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Amazingly you brought up something I've been looking toward solutions for several days.
Let's see if I have this right:
John and Jean connect the USB cable from their Droid to the Kindle (laptop in my case) using PDANet. I use Easy Tether. Same results. Works fine on only one device -- PC, iPad, etc.
So now you connect the USB cable from the Droid to the USB-to-Ethernet converter/adapter, and the CAT 5 side to the WAN port of the router or AP. Is that correct?
I thought that was too simple a solution. Did I miss something in the post.
When you "...setup Internet Connection Sharing from the Droid/PDANet to the Ethernet." can you elaborate on that. Thanks.
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Chuck, Keep in mind that, if you don't need the regular ethernet port for anything else, you don't need the USB-to-Ethernet connector. It is NOT connected to the Droid - the Droid is connected normally to the computer with USB. You need to connect the laptop by Ethernet to the WAN side of a router or AP.
Then you setup ICS. In Windows 7, the procedure is to go to Network and Sharing Center. Click on the PDANet or Easy Tether connection. Click Properties, then the Sharing Tab. Select "Allow other network users to connect..." and in the dropdown select the appropriate adapter (Local Area Connection if it is the regular Ethernet port).
The laptop and router must both be on whenever you are using the WiFi from another device.
Ned, Jean was trying to get Connectify to work, but it was not working properly. I used what I knew, using parts on hand.
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OK, the light is getting brighter. Based on info from another source I had tried ICS using the laptop as a Ad Hoc source. I got the wireless to work but could not get data through it.
I was considering the router but hadn't got that far yet. And doing ICS in XP Pro is more involved than in Win 7.
I notice that Connectify Pro runs only in Ad Hoc mode under XP and Vista. When you set up John's router with ICS, is it running Access Point or Ad Hoc mode?
Thank you Don for this information.
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It is running in full router mode. Acting as an access point, but it is still a router.
The difference being that it is handing out IPs in its own range, not the range it is getting from the ICS.
I had not used ICS in years, and always remembered it as running only as 192.168.0.1 (which I think you will find with XP), but in this case it assigned a 192.168.137.x address to the router's WAN.
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Thanks Don. I found the IP address change was made in Win 7.
One last thought on mystery data usage for Bill and everyone. Beside the obvious inhibiting of "update" downloads.
About a couple months ago I noticed that Don Bradner's FAP meter (great utility by the way) in the task bar was dropping about 1MB per minute or less. From time to time. Having two laptops on line at the time I went to Network Connections in XP Pro. I saw about 60 bytes per minute on one PC and about 900K bytes per min on the other. With no keyboard activity or downloads on either.
I ran Autoruns.exe on both machines (you can also use msconfig) and found several applications running on the offending laptop that did not look familiar. I disabled them and now both machines are back to normal "utility communication" -- about 1 to 3 bytes per second.
The moral of this story is many, if not most, nowadays, software comes default to auto check for updates, and otherwise send out data you may not want sent to the world. That is not saying all this stuff is Malware, though certainly some of it is.
When we were on cable or DSL it was not a big issue. But now with FAP it is. And fortunately we have tools like Don's FAPmon to help alert us to these data thieves.
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